Radio Broadcast 27 November 2005 Atheist Michael Newdow: Attacks on Christianity CW – Good afternoon and welcome to the broadcast. I suppose most of our listeners have been very busy with family and friends this week. Many have been eating turkey with all the trimmings. Some of you might even be on the road traveling and this is the first time you have ever heard our broadcast. Ford – I hope those tuning in for the first time will not drive out of the range of our transmitters. If they do they will miss one of the most unique broadcasts on the radio today. CW – You have been promising to talk some more about the increasing anti-Christian movement in the United States, and even in the world. Since we have just celebrated the one national holiday that is both Christian and patriotic, this would be a good time to do so. Ford – Right you are! I don’t think that many of the people in America today realize that the Thanksgiving holiday is both a Christian and patriotic holiday. CW – Why is that? Ford – One of the reasons is that we have a couple of generations of people who are the victims of the revisionist history being taught in public schools. The other reason is because they do not see Thanksgiving being promoted as it once was. You do not see much promotion of genuine history related products at Thanksgiving. Many people call the day Turkey Day not realizing they are the ones who are being made a “turkey” of. Why even on television they no longer show the patriotic Thanksgiving related movies that they once did. CW – You need to explain what it means to be made a “turkey.” Ford – It is an old slang term. A person is made a “turkey” when they are sold a lie and they blindly believe it. When hunting turkeys you take along a turkey caller and make a call. You can get a tom turkey to come up with the picture of some frisky female turkey in his brain and what he gets is a load of shot instead. People are being made turkeys of because of the lying traps they are blindly falling into. CW – You got pretty rough on the networks for what they show around the Christmas holidays the past few years. I remember you singled out Ted Turner for particular attention. You are saying that the networks are distorting Thanksgiving as they distort Christmas? Ford – I picked on Ted Turner because he likes to select what will be shown personally and he displays a singular lack of perception about what constitutes seasonally appropriate broadcasting. Actually Ted is a poor old lost soul who got mad at God when his believing sister died, and he has been kicking against the pricks ever since. Actually I consider him a pitiable figure and expect he will ultimately commit suicide like his father. He is a person who is anti-Christian, which is what you want to talk about today. But I do not want to get hung up talking too much about Ted. CW – You believe there is a rising tide of opposition against Christians and Christianity in the U.S.A. today. Ford – That is right and I am not alone in that position. In a CNS News poll the results revealed most Americans believe what they call “religion” is under attack. They also believe that it is losing its influence in American life. According to the poll, titled “American Attitudes Toward Religion In the Public Square,” 64 percent agreed with the statement that "religion is under attack" in America, and 80 percent of those who identify themselves as fundamentalist/evangelical/charismatic Christians, were in agreement with that view. So you see there is evidence that the majority of Christians are more keenly aware of it that others. CW – Some people do not want Christianity to have a public role. But with the kind of percentage that you have given some of these people must believe religion is under attack. Ford - American public opinion is divided when it comes to the role of religion in public policy. Many non-Christians do not want Christians having a strong influence in the affairs of the country. There are reasons for this, but one of the biggest reasons is they are in rebellion against God, and they do not want things impacting their lives that reminds them of their separation from God. Anti-Defamation League national director Abraham Foxman said “…religion is stronger in the United States than in any other Western country,” I think he is probably correct, but considering what we are seeing going on in this country, that means Christianity has a problem.” CW – The attacks on the Ten Commandments as well as the changes we have seen in the promotion of Christian holidays would seem to indicate Christianity is losing influence. Ford – Yes, and do you know what is really interesting? The same percentage of people who thought religion was under attack in the poll also believed that religious symbols like the Ten Commandments should be displayed in public buildings such as courthouses. Christian principles and things like the Ten Commandments are foundational to our founding documents and our laws. As Christianity declines we are also seeing the eroding of American freedoms because the two are inseparable. CW – You mentioned public education working to undermine the genuine history and heritage of the United States. Lately the big discussion has been the teaching of Intelligent Design as an alternative to evolution. Did your polls address these issues? Ford – As a matter of fact it did. Fifty-six percent of those polled favored the teaching of Intelligent Design in the public schools. The respondents arguments went that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher being. Even more people, 57 percent said "the Bible" was "a more likely explanation for the origins of human life on earth" than was Darwin’s. Of course, evil organizations like the National Education Association would argue that these people are just a bunch of ignoramuses and they need enlightened people like themselves to decide what must be taught. CW – Wait a minute! Most people get their educations in public schools! Ford – That’s right, so if these respondents are ignorant for believing "the Bible" was "a more likely explanation for the origins of human life on earth" instead of Darwin, I guess we can blame the educational system for making them ignorant. I think that a good many people after getting out in the real world and experiencing some life figure out that a lot of what they were taught in the public schools was a bunch of hooey. CW – How does this happen? Ford – A lot of people come out of public schools with a bad taste in their mouth. For instance there was the case in a kindergarten where the kids were encouraged to make the posters expressing their thanks during the Thanksgiving season. But this one child's poster was removed because the child wanted to thank Jesus. Don’t you think he will remember that and it will impact his attitude toward the public school system as he grows up? CW – I remember that. It went to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals. It was another outrageous example of the courts imposing an unconstitutional secular mandate. Ford – And, the court’s decision was an attack on the Christian faith. Speaking of attacks on the Christian faith, have you ever heard about a guy named Michael Newdow? CW – Yes I have, why don’t you tell our listeners about him. Ford - Atheist Michael Newdow is the man who went to court to try to stop children from being able to say the Pledge of Allegiance. He did this on behalf of the 9 year old daughter he does not have custody of. He also did it in spite of the fact the girl’s mother, who does have custody, and the girl herself does want to say the pledge. CW – Yes, the court ruled against him. Ford – Did you know that back in 1977, he became an ordained atheist minister, and has since lived his life according to the tenets of the Universal Life Church, which basically state: "Do what's right." In 1997, he started his second religious institution, the First Amendmist Church of True Science (FACTS)? CW – No, I didn’t know that. Ford – It is important because it serves to show the kind of distorted individuals who are attacking faith in America. Back in June 2002, Time magazine made him their person of the week. We could do a whole program on the stuff I have on Time Magazine. But I do not want to get away from the subject. This guy, Michael Newdow, even tried to stop the invocation prayer at Bush’s inaugural in 2005. As a counselor, I have read a good deal about him and came to the conclusion he has a mental disorder. There is an abnormal mental condition where people crave attention and they find some means to try to get it. One form of this disorder is Munschausen's Syndrome. That is where a parent causes a child to go through unnecessary medical procedures in order to gain attention. I think Newdow has found his way of getting attention through militant atheism. The really dumb thing is there are people treating this nut as if what he is doing and saying has some legitimacy. CW – Fifty years ago when the phrase “under God” was added by Congress, the vote was unanimous. It took a lot of gall for a federal judge to rule it was unconstitutional. That goes to show how messed up our legal system has become. Ford – Yes, and now I am going to demonstrate the validity of my assertion that Newdow had mental problems. After he lost on the pledge of allegiance case, he turned right around and launched a case to have the words “In God We Trust” removed from our money. You see, his place in the spotlight was about to be lost so he had to start some other action to keep people’s attention on him. CW - That is fascinating but I do not think you spent all this time in a program about anti-Christian activities making a case for this man having a mental disorder for no reason. What is your point? Ford – Several people in anti-Christian groups like the National Education and ACLU have claimed that these Bible believing Christians must have a mental disorder or they would not believe the Bible is literally true and more than just a bunch of fairy tales. In previous broadcasts we have shown that many of the people who are attacking us are, to use technical terminology, really messed up. Now we have made a case that this person who has been in the limelight in recent times as he has attacked faith has some deep seated problems of his own. I think that the people with mental problems are those who are against the Christian faith. CW – You are not going to win any friends among the atheists with that statement. Ford – That is alright. They are not going to like me anyway. I would like to share something else with you. You know I often quote the founding fathers to prove my points. Today I would like to quote one of my favorite comedians. CW – Who is that? Ford – Red Skelton. Red Skelton was one of the greatest comedians I can remember. He could be funny without being smutty. He also made some profound statements. I would like to share with you his commentary on the Pledge of Allegiance. The words were meaningful many years ago when they were spoken by Mr. Skelton. They are just as meaningful today, more than ever. CW – You have me interested, go ahead. Ford – He told this on his television program years ago. On the program he related the story of his teacher, Mr. Laswell, who felt his students had come to think of the Pledge of Allegiance as merely something to recite in class each day. He said Mr. Laswell had said: "I've been listening to you boys and girls recite the Pledge of Allegiance all semester and it seems as though it is becoming monotonous to you. If I may, may I recite it and try to explain to you the meaning of each word?" I -- me, an individual, a committee of one. PLEDGE -- dedicate all of my worldly goods to give without self pity. ALLEGIANCE -- my love and my devotion. TO THE FLAG -- our standard, Old Glory, a symbol of freedom. Wherever she waves, there's respect because your loyalty has given her a dignity that shouts freedom is everybody's job! UNITED -- that means that we have all come together. STATES -- individual communities that have united into 48 great states. Forty-eight individual communities with pride and dignity and purpose; all divided with imaginary boundaries, yet united to a common purpose, and that's love for country. AND TO THE REPUBLIC -- a state in which sovereign power is invested in representatives chosen by the people to govern. And government is the people and it's from the people to the leaders, not from the leaders to the people. FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION -- one nation, meaning "so blessed by God" INDIVISIBLE -- incapable of being divided. WITH LIBERTY -- which is freedom -- the right of power to live one's own life without threats, fear or some sort of retaliation. AND JUSTICE -- the principle or quality of dealing fairly with others. FOR ALL -- which means, boys and girls, it's as much your country as it is mine. And now, boys and girls, he said, let me hear you recite the Pledge of Allegiance: (I would like to invite everyone listening to this broadcast to join me) "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Red Skelton said since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country and two words have been added to the Pledge of Allegiance... UNDER GOD. Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that would be eliminated from schools too? CW – Michael Newdow tried to argue before the Supreme Court that the pledge was a prayer. Ford – That’s right. Almost makes Red Skelton seem like a prophet. By the way: Any of you atheists out there who are really offended by the words “In God We Trust” on the money, and just object to using it, I would like to invite you to go ahead and bundle it up and send it to me. I will use it to serve the God you don’t believe in. CW – Why don’t atheists get upset about references to pagan deities? Ford – You know, that is a good question. Nobody has ever picketed Ford for building the Mercury. Mercury is the pagan god of speed and messengers. Taurus is the bull, a sign of the occult zodiac. Maybe the reason is that those things are of their father the devil. CW – We are starting to run out of time and I want to get some more in about anti-Christian attitudes. Ford – Let’s go overseas a moment and tell people something they probably never heard on the news. CW – What is that? Ford – Well, almost everyone has heard about the riots in France. But what you may not have heard is that most of the rioters were Muslims, and one of there biggest targets for looting and fire bombing was churches and synagogues. The riots were not just about anarchy and destabilizing the French government. It was about Islam attacking Christians and Jews. CW – A large portion of the French Jewish population has migrated in recent years. Ford – That’s right. Christians are also a minority in France as well. But there are some things happening that is almost humorous: Down under, that’s Australia folks, a member of the Australian parliament said that they need to check a person’s religion before allowing them to migrate into the country. Surprisingly, that was not an anti-Christian statement. He told one of their papers "We've got to tighten up on the way all people that come into this country - particularly those people coming from a country with a history of anti-Christian behavior -- apply for citizenship." It seems they are starting to realize down there that people who come from anti-Christian societies are a problem for all of a country whether they are Christian or not. CW – Well, the Bible says there is no law against the fruits of the Spirit. Ford – That’s right. In spite of the liberal media trying to equate fundamentalist Christians like myself with the Taliban, you never see our people flying planes into buildings or blowing people up with bombs. CW – That is another thing we need to spend some time on. We need to make people aware of the propaganda against Christians that is being put out. Ford – We also need to talk about why Christians are not respected quite apart from media efforts to discredit us. We have only touched a little of what needs to be brought out. For instance, why aren’t these big companies concerned about how Christians would feel about the substitution of Happy Holidays for Merry Christmas? Why isn’t Target concerned that Christians might not shop their stores after they kicked the Salvation Army bell ringers out from in front of their stores? CW – You know the answer? Ford – Yes, and so do you. When we come back and tell the people the answer it is going to be so obviously true, people are going to know we are right. But it is going to be scant comfort. In the past week or so there have been Molotov cocktails thrown through the windows of homes in Brooklyn and a whole lot of other things happening that say we have increasing anarchy in this country. As the country turns away from Christianity, even begins to discriminate against Christians, knowing the reason why will offer small comfort. But Christians need to know the truth and act on it all the same. One of the fundamental things that God wants us to understand is that no matter what others do, we are responsible for our own service and witness in this world. I look forward to sharing these truths in the weeks to come. CW – Closing remarks… additional remarks In closing I would like to share with you a poem written by Reed Irvine for his family and friends at the close of his life. At this time of year, and with all we have to face, this seems particularly appropriate THOUGHTS AT LIFE'S END I didn't lust for fleeting fame Or dream of ill-gotten booty, I valued more my unstained name And devotion to my duty. Cursed are those whose god is gold Amassed at any cost, And so are those whose road to fame Is strewn with loved ones lost. May I be blessed with love sincere >From those whose love I cherish. And may my progeny revere My example when I perish. And when there tolls the final bell And life winds to its end, I pray that those who knew me well Will proudly call me friend.
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